Music and philosophy

[Solomon]

How does music affect your relationship to philosophy? Ex: I enjoy reading Kierkagaard or Camus or Sartre,listening to Chopin, it seems to intensify the topics of absurdity, death, doubt.

[Solomon]

One of my favorite all time "bands" is Dead Can Dance, if you are not familiar, please check out the following, Dead Can Dance opneded up a whole new world of beauty and philosophy in music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2giRnMMPH4 - this video is good, though it requires patience, it reminds me of de Beauvoir's philosophy

[Solomon]

Ignore the first 2 links, sorry, here they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQvu0XiwZk4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtNFQ7RJ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2giRnMMPH4

[Neri]

Art is the cry of our humanity. The artist is artificer of the world. The world becomes the song he made.

Music is the language our mortality--like a bird frolicking in air before it falls to earth and dies. The work of the artist is like a prayer, not to a god but to himself.

There is no divinity except the one that lives within us all, and that is why the prayer touches us so deeply.

[dragslaye]

Music is no but a reflection of our own desires. In many ways we might use music to pass down our own ideals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m3jkAGC7RI, is a way to express our feelings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLHleQ5BI3o, our opinions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rv2vWuR8QQ, a way to show our disapproval http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7yAO-QCSWA, to show both sides of human nature that which is calm, creative and passive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBD0OZaX5o and that which is chaotic, wild and destructive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQW8eb1P3dk

BY the way i do believe if Friedrich Nietzsche was alive, he surely would love metal

[Solomon]

Metal.........NO WAY!!! Nietzsche clearly would have loved The Backstreet boys...

[Neri]

Commercial drivel that panders to adolescent narcissism and passes under the name of music has little to do with art and nothing to do with philosophy.

[Solomon]

I could not agree more...

[dragslaye]

neri even i do agree with part of what u saying but i i cannot help but to think t that such a commentary comes from me using metal of my examples if that is the case(sorry i am a die hard metalhead) metal is a very underground kind of music which normally it is not play by the mass media. A good example one of the metal gods( Name given o those whose skills have far surpass their contemporaneous ) DImebag death didn't got any mayor coverage by the mass media.

[Montethrower]

Bob Dylan when reading Spinoza, Plato, Camus, Sartre, Wittgenstein (one of my favorite artists ever)

Grateful Dead when reading Aquinas, Moore, Aristotle



sometimes, of course, not all the time

[starmusic3]

Music is no but a reflection of our own desires. In many ways we might use music to pass down our own ideals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m3jkAGC7RI, is a way to express our feelings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLHleQ5BI3o, our opinions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rv2vWuR8QQ, a way to show our disapproval http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7yAO-QCSWA, to show both sides of human nature that which is calm, creative and passive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBD0OZaX5o and that which is chaotic, wild and destructive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQW8eb1P3dk

BY the way i do believe if Friedrich Nietzsche was alive, he surely would love metal

Metal is such silly music when you see the scores.

[ImrealIthink]

Metal is such silly music when you see the scores.

People who like metal are not worried about how the scores look. It's about how it makes you feel that matters. You shouldn't call things silly that you don't understand.

[grouchoharx]

philosophy is our minds making sense out of now 4 the future and really nothing else,., true, it is made from many things that are not ONLY made for a developing history made by anyone about themselves and their place in a society, but music is more of a thing for a person to use to remember everything beheld in vision or mind is at that time made truly for this purpose so no matter what a person looks like they are doing what really matters to them is what can they do that they can carry in their mind and always remember!

music is a pleasure that works this way "many short stories explained in part with sound about how our life is shown to others but made for us" and that a person's own point of view of their own life is what our lives are REALLY supposed to be about!

[molly3ringwalled]

people are really talking about, and what kinda music that i think is easier to find on the radio , helps me 2 make a lot of sense from what is going on all around us!

it is very hard to get your own or new things to fill your mind with right now and here , so i find this also to be very interesting every new train of thoughts always leads me back to why the world is like this,etc.etc!

[yellow_dog]

I like music that doesn't think, but raises awareness somehow.

Recently a friend showed me John Cage and I really like his imaginary landscapes.

Wisdom has a richness about it, decisive wisdom I mean, successful wisdom. To be able to preserve something important. To save lives. To prevent the gruesome and heinous, exercising capable mercy.

I don't think there are any good songs about this hope of the philosopher. At least I don't remember any of them.

[sk2]

To me, Music IS philsophy, as is all art in some way...
the kind of music you listen to says a lot about your
philosophical perspectives and outlook...

[scienquist]

I find Nick Cave's music has a profound effect on my philosophical outlook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPhUQUDe_jw
I also once had alot of insight into T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets while listening to the boards of canada album Geodaddi.
I really believe that music has an incredible apptitude to communicate the artist's ontology or philosophical outlook through the emotive qualities in it. It is in a sense higher than language and I think is really a metaphysical reality. The fact that music has such an emotional impact on us even when we have never heard a piece before seems to indicate that it has an immaterial nature to it.

[female]

Music really is a universal language in the sense that it transcends age, race, gender etc.

It inspires my thoughts and evokes emotions.

Oh and...I like this song. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfngXJMy ... re=related

[female]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XEqkqpCTa8

[female]

I love this song..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPqRo8b2 ... re=related

"If I got permission to return and to speak to the love of my heart
Or if I got the better of destiny..." :D

[mattrod9523]

wut does music have in common with philosophy? music IS philosophy. we express our ponders our sadnesses our overall thoughts in it. It paints a picture of philosophy only with notes.

[female]

Well said, Mattrod9523.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfKSEOWhg7o

[psionic11]

To me, Music IS philsophy, as is all art in some way...
the kind of music you listen to says a lot about your
philosophical perspectives and outlook...

I agree with this a lot.

In the same way that some of us will gravitate to "philosophy", some of us will also gravitate towards classical or prog rock or ambient or metal...

In the same way, there is a majority who don't like deep stuff, who like the stuff everyone else seems to like, who form their opinions based on what their immediate circle or what their choice of media feeds them... the type of people who go with the masses to define what's normal/cool... These tend to like pop music, and dislike metal or industrial or punk or experimental music, because it's 'weird' or they don't understand it or agree with it.

I'll grant there is a solid core that is both philosphically aware and yet likes pop culture. Few and far between, these are...

I may be biased and judgmental, but I think the shallow masses who cannot appreciate beyond the fodder mass-fed to them are the same masses that need an educated body to rule them, to keep them in line for their own best interests. I don't believe the masses are fit to rule themselves. Immature and ignorant children, of all ages.

I don't believe our music/philosophy is at its best right now, compared to what we have had in our rich history.

We need a charismatic, hip, philospher-king to show us the light in a way that the masses will follow. A whole generation of them...

[Musaeus]

Interesting thread which has lapsed.

I am intrigued by the way that music and philosophy intertwine in 19th century Germany (did it go on into the 20th?) in the works of Schop and Nietzsche. As fas as I am aware this has never happened anywhere else, though Plotinus etc gave the music of the spheres importance in an interesting way.

Can anyone shed light on this phenomenon?